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American Civil War.

Post by crow » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:19 pm

What are your views on The Confederacy? Good guys? Bad guys? What?
Why do you feel the way you feel?

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Re: American Civil War.

Post by Entity » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:27 pm

Confederacy: Wrong
Union: Less wrong.
Slavery is terrible, or at least by my standards.
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Re: American Civil War.

Post by Entity » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:31 pm

The two sides divided would have also been less strong than if together.
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Re: American Civil War.

Post by crow » Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:42 pm

Thanks. Perhaps we will discuss this later. The more views, the merrier.

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Re: American Civil War.

Post by crow » Thu Oct 01, 2015 5:26 pm

Consider the probability:
Would half a million men voluntarily give their lives to either free, or not free, people of a race not their own?
This was long before the days of neurotic men with notions of altruism or race-hatred.
The North had almost as many slaves as the South.
You may begin to wonder if the war was really about - or anything to do with - slavery, at all.
Consider too, that America was the only country in the world to fight a war over abolition: the slave trade was already globally winding down at that time.

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Re: American Civil War.

Post by Entity » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:16 pm

Yes, I know that slavery was everywhere, and that's even worse, and I knew that slavery wasn't everything in the war. We know that part of the War was trying to free the slaves o take property from the South. However, if the Confederate States were to split, America would have been less strong, less successful, and more divided. I'm not sure if that's for better or worse, but acting in the best interest for the U.S., the two needed to stick together. This makes me wonder if the divided America would have been better for the Natives; less people trying to get them.
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Re: American Civil War.

Post by crow » Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:23 pm

As far as I can see, from reading alternative renderings of history, the war was really about State's Rights, whatever that is.
States joined The Union under the agreement that if they later changed their minds, they could secede.
Since the South was a single product economy, totally dependent on slavery to pick cotton, it would completely collapse if abolition occurred too quickly.
And so they said "No".
It soon became obvious that to say "No" meant civil war, they were stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Enter John Brown. Activist, idealist, troublemaker, mass murderer, and the spark that ignited the civil war.
There's always one.

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Re: American Civil War.

Post by Entity » Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:21 pm

Yeah, the Confederates had their reasons, and so did the Union. I guess the State's rights thing is about federalism vs. anti-federalism. Brown was definitely the catalyst, for better or worse. The dependence on slaves was the South's weakness for sure. I see people with Confederate flags all the time, and I suppose they're trying to make a statement, but it's kind of pointless. The South lost, there's no point in bearing the flag. If one agrees with the Confederate belief, whatever, but don't fly the flag, that's silly. That's kind of like flying Prussia's flag. Prussia's gone now.
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Re: American Civil War.

Post by crow » Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:45 pm

The CSA battle flag is sure one sweet flag though :)
Honor the fallen, both sides. Dishonor the crazy official history.
Good-guy/bad-guy is very rarely the way it actually is. Or was.

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Re: American Civil War.

Post by Entity » Thu Oct 01, 2015 7:49 pm

Yeah, the flag does look cool. I wish other flags looked hostile, too. Death is bad on every side. There is no good guy in a war. Only a human.
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