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Re: The Food Topic!!

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:05 pm
by crow
Perhaps you confuse control with responsibility.
When one becomes responsible, control is no longer required.

Re: The Food Topic!!

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:12 pm
by Healer379

I don't see the relevance though.
Self control may be a factor of responsibility, in which case it would be a purely human objective, since animals possess neither, other than what pertains to their instinct

Re: The Food Topic!!

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:11 pm
by crow
I had to kill a raccoon a year or two ago, after it removed a chunk of my ankle for no apparent reason.
This was its third bite, and a bad-tempered thing it was. A raccoon version of the human psychopath.
After it was gone, all the other raccoons settled right down.
Hard thing for me to do. I don't even kill mosquitoes.

Self control and responsibility is the state of normal raccoons if they want to be cared for, fed, and not killed.
They, and we, can do whatever they like, but there are always consequences to every action (and non-action).
Only humans have the odd ability to be blind to consequences.

Re: The Food Topic!!

Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:35 pm
by Healer379
Mmm. I call that instinct though.

We act for three reasons.
Pleasure. Benefit. Good.

They can't act for truth.
I respect every creature, and I don't kill mosquitoes either. But with all due respect to them, their nature cannot become something else. They can't become a "moral" raccoon..

Our ability to do something that neither benefits us, nor gives pleasure (at least instantly), is because we have a deeper understanding, and among other things, a conscience that allows us to deny our ugly nature, and become "better".

Again, my opinion:)

Re: The Food Topic!!

Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:12 am
by crow
Maybe five reasons. The ones you gave, plus evil and glory.
Along with the odd notion of having a purpose to fulfill.

Creatures can can do nothing but act for truth. With the additional observation that they can not act, in the human sense, at all.
They have no use for 'morals', since they are almost entirely without mental illness, or a changing baseline of behavioral norms.
As it happens, I have a very 'moral' raccoon, of about 120 years in human age, who could put Mother Theresa to shame.

I would suggest that humans rarely 'understand' much of anything. They have this curious quality of 'thinking' they understand.
But really, thinking is the antithesis of understanding.

My perspective is simple and it is this:
The term 'God' is what humans use as a symbol to describe Reality. That thing that pre-exists and continues to exist when we do not.
All powerful, inscrutable, mysterious, and eternal. Terrifying at times. Wondrous at others.
Creatures know nothing but to be at one with it. You could say that they are it. And it, them.
While humans insert a layer of thought and processing between It and themselves, always experiencing life at second-hand.

Crows don't do that. I don't do that. Neither does my wife. You don't have to, either.
If I have a purpose, then this is it. To mention this, in passing.

Re: The Food Topic!!

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:09 pm
by Healer379

I see your point. Well made too.
Have you ever saught the company of nature... Their acceptance, their non telling awareness of you.. Ita very peaceful, for me at least.

At times I can feel comforted by nature, but ultimately my desire to be understood and accepted cannot completely be quenched through nature.
Specifically because of the point you brought up... That they don't understand the human condition, of battling evil and pride constantly.
And therefore, when they accept me, I feel its a reflection of them, not me.

If something is to be accepting, good, and moral by nature, or through their own grueling effort and choice, I'd appreciate more the latter.

To me it speaks of sincerity. To realize one's flaws and choose not to be bound by them... As opposed to something who never had a flaw.

I see your point though.

Re: The Food Topic!!

Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 7:18 pm
by Healer379
To be clear, I mean that goodness in the face of evil proves to be "gooder" than good alone.

And for that reason, among others, I do appreciate humans, specifically because we know (too well) of evils.

Re: The Food Topic!!

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:35 am
by BabyDragon
Don't you just hate it when this happens? :D